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Using the standard statistical definitions, the variance of $x_1, x_2, ldots, x_n$ and the squared errors about its mean $mu$ are given by $sigma^2 = sum_i(x_i - mu)^2/n$ and $delta_2 = sum_i(x_i - mu)^2 = nsigma^2$ respectively.




Definition 1: The variance and the squared error of an integer is defined as the variance and the squared error of its positive divisors
respectively.




I found that:



  • There are distinct integer pairs whose variances are equal. The smallest such pair is $(691, 817)$. Let us call them equivarient integers.

  • There are integer pairs whose squared errors are equal. The smallest such pair is $(45, 53)$.

The more interesting fact is that there are equivarient pairs which have the same number of divisors and hence their squared errors are also equal. We define:




Definition 2: Two distinct integers are said to be an intimate pair if they are have the same number of divisors and the same
variance.




The first few intimate pairs are $(1403,1461)$, $(1564,1572)$,$(2068,2076)$,$(2249,2305)$,$(3397,3493)$,$(7871,8193)$,$ (23903,24101)$,$(61769, 64443)$.



Questions:



  1. Are there infinitely many intimate pairs?

  2. Are there three or more integers that are intimate ( and what should we call them hahaha)

Note: Please let me know in case there is any reference in literature. I could not find any. Posted to MO since it is unanswered in MSE










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    If I am right, you can replace one of "equivarient" or "same error" by "same number of divisors", which is also "same multiplicities in the prime factorization".
    $endgroup$
    – Yves Daoust
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    @YvesDaoust: Valid point, makes it simpler. I am updating it.
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    – Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
    Apr 10 at 7:11






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    Is this a conjecture of yours? (Also, looking at your bio, you say you are a data scientist. To be that requires an extraordinary mind, so a quick well done!)
    $endgroup$
    – user477343
    Apr 10 at 7:20






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    @user477343 Does it? Being one too, I'll take that as a compliment.
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    – J.G.
    Apr 10 at 7:23






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    @user477343 Yes, its my conjecture. Thanks for the compliment !!!
    $endgroup$
    – Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
    Apr 10 at 7:26















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Using the standard statistical definitions, the variance of $x_1, x_2, ldots, x_n$ and the squared errors about its mean $mu$ are given by $sigma^2 = sum_i(x_i - mu)^2/n$ and $delta_2 = sum_i(x_i - mu)^2 = nsigma^2$ respectively.




Definition 1: The variance and the squared error of an integer is defined as the variance and the squared error of its positive divisors
respectively.




I found that:



  • There are distinct integer pairs whose variances are equal. The smallest such pair is $(691, 817)$. Let us call them equivarient integers.

  • There are integer pairs whose squared errors are equal. The smallest such pair is $(45, 53)$.

The more interesting fact is that there are equivarient pairs which have the same number of divisors and hence their squared errors are also equal. We define:




Definition 2: Two distinct integers are said to be an intimate pair if they are have the same number of divisors and the same
variance.




The first few intimate pairs are $(1403,1461)$, $(1564,1572)$,$(2068,2076)$,$(2249,2305)$,$(3397,3493)$,$(7871,8193)$,$ (23903,24101)$,$(61769, 64443)$.



Questions:



  1. Are there infinitely many intimate pairs?

  2. Are there three or more integers that are intimate ( and what should we call them hahaha)

Note: Please let me know in case there is any reference in literature. I could not find any. Posted to MO since it is unanswered in MSE










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    $begingroup$
    If I am right, you can replace one of "equivarient" or "same error" by "same number of divisors", which is also "same multiplicities in the prime factorization".
    $endgroup$
    – Yves Daoust
    Apr 10 at 7:08











  • $begingroup$
    @YvesDaoust: Valid point, makes it simpler. I am updating it.
    $endgroup$
    – Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
    Apr 10 at 7:11






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Is this a conjecture of yours? (Also, looking at your bio, you say you are a data scientist. To be that requires an extraordinary mind, so a quick well done!)
    $endgroup$
    – user477343
    Apr 10 at 7:20






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @user477343 Does it? Being one too, I'll take that as a compliment.
    $endgroup$
    – J.G.
    Apr 10 at 7:23






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @user477343 Yes, its my conjecture. Thanks for the compliment !!!
    $endgroup$
    – Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
    Apr 10 at 7:26













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$begingroup$


Using the standard statistical definitions, the variance of $x_1, x_2, ldots, x_n$ and the squared errors about its mean $mu$ are given by $sigma^2 = sum_i(x_i - mu)^2/n$ and $delta_2 = sum_i(x_i - mu)^2 = nsigma^2$ respectively.




Definition 1: The variance and the squared error of an integer is defined as the variance and the squared error of its positive divisors
respectively.




I found that:



  • There are distinct integer pairs whose variances are equal. The smallest such pair is $(691, 817)$. Let us call them equivarient integers.

  • There are integer pairs whose squared errors are equal. The smallest such pair is $(45, 53)$.

The more interesting fact is that there are equivarient pairs which have the same number of divisors and hence their squared errors are also equal. We define:




Definition 2: Two distinct integers are said to be an intimate pair if they are have the same number of divisors and the same
variance.




The first few intimate pairs are $(1403,1461)$, $(1564,1572)$,$(2068,2076)$,$(2249,2305)$,$(3397,3493)$,$(7871,8193)$,$ (23903,24101)$,$(61769, 64443)$.



Questions:



  1. Are there infinitely many intimate pairs?

  2. Are there three or more integers that are intimate ( and what should we call them hahaha)

Note: Please let me know in case there is any reference in literature. I could not find any. Posted to MO since it is unanswered in MSE










share|cite|improve this question











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Using the standard statistical definitions, the variance of $x_1, x_2, ldots, x_n$ and the squared errors about its mean $mu$ are given by $sigma^2 = sum_i(x_i - mu)^2/n$ and $delta_2 = sum_i(x_i - mu)^2 = nsigma^2$ respectively.




Definition 1: The variance and the squared error of an integer is defined as the variance and the squared error of its positive divisors
respectively.




I found that:



  • There are distinct integer pairs whose variances are equal. The smallest such pair is $(691, 817)$. Let us call them equivarient integers.

  • There are integer pairs whose squared errors are equal. The smallest such pair is $(45, 53)$.

The more interesting fact is that there are equivarient pairs which have the same number of divisors and hence their squared errors are also equal. We define:




Definition 2: Two distinct integers are said to be an intimate pair if they are have the same number of divisors and the same
variance.




The first few intimate pairs are $(1403,1461)$, $(1564,1572)$,$(2068,2076)$,$(2249,2305)$,$(3397,3493)$,$(7871,8193)$,$ (23903,24101)$,$(61769, 64443)$.



Questions:



  1. Are there infinitely many intimate pairs?

  2. Are there three or more integers that are intimate ( and what should we call them hahaha)

Note: Please let me know in case there is any reference in literature. I could not find any. Posted to MO since it is unanswered in MSE







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    If I am right, you can replace one of "equivarient" or "same error" by "same number of divisors", which is also "same multiplicities in the prime factorization".
    $endgroup$
    – Yves Daoust
    Apr 10 at 7:08











  • $begingroup$
    @YvesDaoust: Valid point, makes it simpler. I am updating it.
    $endgroup$
    – Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
    Apr 10 at 7:11






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Is this a conjecture of yours? (Also, looking at your bio, you say you are a data scientist. To be that requires an extraordinary mind, so a quick well done!)
    $endgroup$
    – user477343
    Apr 10 at 7:20






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @user477343 Does it? Being one too, I'll take that as a compliment.
    $endgroup$
    – J.G.
    Apr 10 at 7:23






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @user477343 Yes, its my conjecture. Thanks for the compliment !!!
    $endgroup$
    – Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
    Apr 10 at 7:26












  • 1




    $begingroup$
    If I am right, you can replace one of "equivarient" or "same error" by "same number of divisors", which is also "same multiplicities in the prime factorization".
    $endgroup$
    – Yves Daoust
    Apr 10 at 7:08











  • $begingroup$
    @YvesDaoust: Valid point, makes it simpler. I am updating it.
    $endgroup$
    – Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
    Apr 10 at 7:11






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Is this a conjecture of yours? (Also, looking at your bio, you say you are a data scientist. To be that requires an extraordinary mind, so a quick well done!)
    $endgroup$
    – user477343
    Apr 10 at 7:20






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @user477343 Does it? Being one too, I'll take that as a compliment.
    $endgroup$
    – J.G.
    Apr 10 at 7:23






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @user477343 Yes, its my conjecture. Thanks for the compliment !!!
    $endgroup$
    – Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
    Apr 10 at 7:26







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$begingroup$
If I am right, you can replace one of "equivarient" or "same error" by "same number of divisors", which is also "same multiplicities in the prime factorization".
$endgroup$
– Yves Daoust
Apr 10 at 7:08





$begingroup$
If I am right, you can replace one of "equivarient" or "same error" by "same number of divisors", which is also "same multiplicities in the prime factorization".
$endgroup$
– Yves Daoust
Apr 10 at 7:08













$begingroup$
@YvesDaoust: Valid point, makes it simpler. I am updating it.
$endgroup$
– Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
Apr 10 at 7:11




$begingroup$
@YvesDaoust: Valid point, makes it simpler. I am updating it.
$endgroup$
– Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
Apr 10 at 7:11




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$begingroup$
Is this a conjecture of yours? (Also, looking at your bio, you say you are a data scientist. To be that requires an extraordinary mind, so a quick well done!)
$endgroup$
– user477343
Apr 10 at 7:20




$begingroup$
Is this a conjecture of yours? (Also, looking at your bio, you say you are a data scientist. To be that requires an extraordinary mind, so a quick well done!)
$endgroup$
– user477343
Apr 10 at 7:20




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@user477343 Does it? Being one too, I'll take that as a compliment.
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– J.G.
Apr 10 at 7:23




$begingroup$
@user477343 Does it? Being one too, I'll take that as a compliment.
$endgroup$
– J.G.
Apr 10 at 7:23




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@user477343 Yes, its my conjecture. Thanks for the compliment !!!
$endgroup$
– Nilotpal Kanti Sinha
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For what it's worth, not an answer but a long comment:



Let $sigma_k$ denote the sum of the $k^th$ powers of the divisors.



If we consider an integer with a single prime factor, say



$$p^n-1,$$



we have
$$sigma_0=n,$$
$$sigma_1=fracp^n-1p-1,$$
$$sigma_2=fracp^2n-1p^2-1.$$



Then with the variance $v$,



$$v,sigma_0^2=sigma_0sigma_2-sigma_1^2=nfracp^2n-1p^2-1-left(fracp^n-1p-1right)^2=(p^n-1)fracn(p-1)(p^n+1)-(p+1)(p^n-1)(p+1)(p-1)^2.$$



This function seems to be growing for $p>1$ and any $n$, so chances are low that two distinct $p$ yield the same variance.



Now with two prime factors, say



$$p^n-1q^m-1,$$



we have



$$v,sigma_0^2=sigma_0sigma_2-sigma_1^2=nmfracp^2n-1p^2-1fracq^2m-1q^2-1-left(fracp^n-1p-1fracq^m-1q-1right)^2,$$



which just seems intractable.




In the simplest case, $n=m=2$, the expression reduces to



$$4(p^2+1)(q^2+1)-(p+1)^2(q+1)^2.$$



The challenge is to find two points with prime coordinates on the iso-curves of this function. But from Wolfram Alpha, the only solution is $(1,1)$. I tried a few other exponents, to no avail.






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    For what it's worth, not an answer but a long comment:



    Let $sigma_k$ denote the sum of the $k^th$ powers of the divisors.



    If we consider an integer with a single prime factor, say



    $$p^n-1,$$



    we have
    $$sigma_0=n,$$
    $$sigma_1=fracp^n-1p-1,$$
    $$sigma_2=fracp^2n-1p^2-1.$$



    Then with the variance $v$,



    $$v,sigma_0^2=sigma_0sigma_2-sigma_1^2=nfracp^2n-1p^2-1-left(fracp^n-1p-1right)^2=(p^n-1)fracn(p-1)(p^n+1)-(p+1)(p^n-1)(p+1)(p-1)^2.$$



    This function seems to be growing for $p>1$ and any $n$, so chances are low that two distinct $p$ yield the same variance.



    Now with two prime factors, say



    $$p^n-1q^m-1,$$



    we have



    $$v,sigma_0^2=sigma_0sigma_2-sigma_1^2=nmfracp^2n-1p^2-1fracq^2m-1q^2-1-left(fracp^n-1p-1fracq^m-1q-1right)^2,$$



    which just seems intractable.




    In the simplest case, $n=m=2$, the expression reduces to



    $$4(p^2+1)(q^2+1)-(p+1)^2(q+1)^2.$$



    The challenge is to find two points with prime coordinates on the iso-curves of this function. But from Wolfram Alpha, the only solution is $(1,1)$. I tried a few other exponents, to no avail.






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      For what it's worth, not an answer but a long comment:



      Let $sigma_k$ denote the sum of the $k^th$ powers of the divisors.



      If we consider an integer with a single prime factor, say



      $$p^n-1,$$



      we have
      $$sigma_0=n,$$
      $$sigma_1=fracp^n-1p-1,$$
      $$sigma_2=fracp^2n-1p^2-1.$$



      Then with the variance $v$,



      $$v,sigma_0^2=sigma_0sigma_2-sigma_1^2=nfracp^2n-1p^2-1-left(fracp^n-1p-1right)^2=(p^n-1)fracn(p-1)(p^n+1)-(p+1)(p^n-1)(p+1)(p-1)^2.$$



      This function seems to be growing for $p>1$ and any $n$, so chances are low that two distinct $p$ yield the same variance.



      Now with two prime factors, say



      $$p^n-1q^m-1,$$



      we have



      $$v,sigma_0^2=sigma_0sigma_2-sigma_1^2=nmfracp^2n-1p^2-1fracq^2m-1q^2-1-left(fracp^n-1p-1fracq^m-1q-1right)^2,$$



      which just seems intractable.




      In the simplest case, $n=m=2$, the expression reduces to



      $$4(p^2+1)(q^2+1)-(p+1)^2(q+1)^2.$$



      The challenge is to find two points with prime coordinates on the iso-curves of this function. But from Wolfram Alpha, the only solution is $(1,1)$. I tried a few other exponents, to no avail.






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        For what it's worth, not an answer but a long comment:



        Let $sigma_k$ denote the sum of the $k^th$ powers of the divisors.



        If we consider an integer with a single prime factor, say



        $$p^n-1,$$



        we have
        $$sigma_0=n,$$
        $$sigma_1=fracp^n-1p-1,$$
        $$sigma_2=fracp^2n-1p^2-1.$$



        Then with the variance $v$,



        $$v,sigma_0^2=sigma_0sigma_2-sigma_1^2=nfracp^2n-1p^2-1-left(fracp^n-1p-1right)^2=(p^n-1)fracn(p-1)(p^n+1)-(p+1)(p^n-1)(p+1)(p-1)^2.$$



        This function seems to be growing for $p>1$ and any $n$, so chances are low that two distinct $p$ yield the same variance.



        Now with two prime factors, say



        $$p^n-1q^m-1,$$



        we have



        $$v,sigma_0^2=sigma_0sigma_2-sigma_1^2=nmfracp^2n-1p^2-1fracq^2m-1q^2-1-left(fracp^n-1p-1fracq^m-1q-1right)^2,$$



        which just seems intractable.




        In the simplest case, $n=m=2$, the expression reduces to



        $$4(p^2+1)(q^2+1)-(p+1)^2(q+1)^2.$$



        The challenge is to find two points with prime coordinates on the iso-curves of this function. But from Wolfram Alpha, the only solution is $(1,1)$. I tried a few other exponents, to no avail.






        share|cite|improve this answer











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        For what it's worth, not an answer but a long comment:



        Let $sigma_k$ denote the sum of the $k^th$ powers of the divisors.



        If we consider an integer with a single prime factor, say



        $$p^n-1,$$



        we have
        $$sigma_0=n,$$
        $$sigma_1=fracp^n-1p-1,$$
        $$sigma_2=fracp^2n-1p^2-1.$$



        Then with the variance $v$,



        $$v,sigma_0^2=sigma_0sigma_2-sigma_1^2=nfracp^2n-1p^2-1-left(fracp^n-1p-1right)^2=(p^n-1)fracn(p-1)(p^n+1)-(p+1)(p^n-1)(p+1)(p-1)^2.$$



        This function seems to be growing for $p>1$ and any $n$, so chances are low that two distinct $p$ yield the same variance.



        Now with two prime factors, say



        $$p^n-1q^m-1,$$



        we have



        $$v,sigma_0^2=sigma_0sigma_2-sigma_1^2=nmfracp^2n-1p^2-1fracq^2m-1q^2-1-left(fracp^n-1p-1fracq^m-1q-1right)^2,$$



        which just seems intractable.




        In the simplest case, $n=m=2$, the expression reduces to



        $$4(p^2+1)(q^2+1)-(p+1)^2(q+1)^2.$$



        The challenge is to find two points with prime coordinates on the iso-curves of this function. But from Wolfram Alpha, the only solution is $(1,1)$. I tried a few other exponents, to no avail.







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