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What is the fraction field of $R[[x]]$, the power series over some integral domain?
The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are InFraction field of the formal power series ring in finitely many variablesFormal power series ring over a valuation ring of dimension $geq 2$ is not integrally closed.Show that $F((X))$ is a field and that $mathbb Q((X))$ is the fraction field of $mathbb Z[[X]]$.Fraction field of $A[[t]]$Fraction field of the formal power series ring in finitely many variablesIntegral domain with fraction field equal to $mathbbR$The integral closure of a power series ring over a fieldWhat are the points of some schemes?Tensor product of the fraction field of a domain and a module over the domainFlatness of integral closure over an integral domain$Asubset B $ with $B$ integral domain. If $B$ is integral over $A$ can we say that $Q(B)$ is algebraic over $Q(A)$?Concerning $Frac((Frac space D)[x])$ and $Frac(D[x])$ for an integral domain $D$Proving the ring of formal power series over a finite field is integral domain.Noetherian domain whose fraction field is such that some specific proper submodules are projective
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I have a question similar to 74335.
Let $R$ be an integral domain. Is there a nice description of the fraction field of the power series $R[[x]]$?
I know that this field can be a proper subfield of $operatornameFrac(R)((x))$, the Laurent series over the fraction field of $R$, as seen here. Given that, I'm at a loss of other candidates for what $operatornameFrac(R[[x]])$ can be.
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I have a question similar to 74335.
Let $R$ be an integral domain. Is there a nice description of the fraction field of the power series $R[[x]]$?
I know that this field can be a proper subfield of $operatornameFrac(R)((x))$, the Laurent series over the fraction field of $R$, as seen here. Given that, I'm at a loss of other candidates for what $operatornameFrac(R[[x]])$ can be.
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When I say Laurent series I only allow finitely many non-zero negative coefficients.
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– miforbes
May 2 '12 at 20:07
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Can you be more specific about what you would like in your description beyond the description given by the construction of $Frac(R[[x]])$? That construction is already pretty concrete.
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– rschwieb
May 2 '12 at 20:13
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@rschwieb: A more concrete description would be something like: ``the fraction field is the laurent/power series with coefficients of form X''.
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I have a question similar to 74335.
Let $R$ be an integral domain. Is there a nice description of the fraction field of the power series $R[[x]]$?
I know that this field can be a proper subfield of $operatornameFrac(R)((x))$, the Laurent series over the fraction field of $R$, as seen here. Given that, I'm at a loss of other candidates for what $operatornameFrac(R[[x]])$ can be.
commutative-algebra power-series integral-domain
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I have a question similar to 74335.
Let $R$ be an integral domain. Is there a nice description of the fraction field of the power series $R[[x]]$?
I know that this field can be a proper subfield of $operatornameFrac(R)((x))$, the Laurent series over the fraction field of $R$, as seen here. Given that, I'm at a loss of other candidates for what $operatornameFrac(R[[x]])$ can be.
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When I say Laurent series I only allow finitely many non-zero negative coefficients.
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– miforbes
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Can you be more specific about what you would like in your description beyond the description given by the construction of $Frac(R[[x]])$? That construction is already pretty concrete.
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– rschwieb
May 2 '12 at 20:13
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@rschwieb: A more concrete description would be something like: ``the fraction field is the laurent/power series with coefficients of form X''.
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– miforbes
May 2 '12 at 21:56
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When I say Laurent series I only allow finitely many non-zero negative coefficients.
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– miforbes
May 2 '12 at 20:07
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Can you be more specific about what you would like in your description beyond the description given by the construction of $Frac(R[[x]])$? That construction is already pretty concrete.
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– rschwieb
May 2 '12 at 20:13
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@rschwieb: A more concrete description would be something like: ``the fraction field is the laurent/power series with coefficients of form X''.
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– miforbes
May 2 '12 at 21:56
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When I say Laurent series I only allow finitely many non-zero negative coefficients.
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– miforbes
May 2 '12 at 20:07
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When I say Laurent series I only allow finitely many non-zero negative coefficients.
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– miforbes
May 2 '12 at 20:07
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Can you be more specific about what you would like in your description beyond the description given by the construction of $Frac(R[[x]])$? That construction is already pretty concrete.
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– rschwieb
May 2 '12 at 20:13
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Can you be more specific about what you would like in your description beyond the description given by the construction of $Frac(R[[x]])$? That construction is already pretty concrete.
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– rschwieb
May 2 '12 at 20:13
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@rschwieb: A more concrete description would be something like: ``the fraction field is the laurent/power series with coefficients of form X''.
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– miforbes
May 2 '12 at 21:56
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@rschwieb: A more concrete description would be something like: ``the fraction field is the laurent/power series with coefficients of form X''.
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The required fraction field $K$ of our ring $R[[x]]$ consists of fractions $phi(x)=frac f(x)g(x)$ with $f(x), 0neq g(x)in R[[x]]$ .
If $F=Frac(R)$ we obviously have $Ksubset F((x))$ but the following analysis will show that we don't have equality in general.
Write $g(x)=x^k(r-xgamma(x))=x^kr(1-frac xrgamma(x))$ with $kgeq 0$ and $0neq rin R$ .
Then $frac 1g(x)=x^-ksum frac x^nr^n(gamma (x))^n$ and we see that $phi(x)=sum_i=m ^infty c_ix^i$ where $min mathbb Z$ depends on $phi$ and each $c_i$ is of the form $c_i=frac rho_ir^nu^i$ with $rho_iin R$ and $nu_iin mathbb N$.
In other words in the investigated field $K$ every element is a power series $phi(x)=sum_i=m ^infty c_ix^i$ but these satisfy the strong requirement that there exists an element $rin R$ (depending on $phi$) such that all $c_iin R[frac 1r]$.
For example it is clear that for $R=mathbb Z $ the series $e^x=sum frac x^ii!notin K$ since it is impossible to find $rin mathbb Z$ such that all $frac 1i!in mathbb Z[frac 1r]$
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If I'm not mistaken, $K[[x]][1/x]$ is just $K((x))$, the Laurent series over $K$. But by the link I provided in the question, the fraction field of $mathbbZ[[x]]$ does not contain the power series for $exp(x)$, but that power series is contained in the power series over $mathbbQ$. So I'm not sure your answer is correct.
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@miforbes, Georges said that $K[[x]][1/x]$ is the fraction field of $R[[x]]$, where $K = operatornameFrac(R)$. So since $mathbbQ = operatornameFrac(mathbbZ)$, the fraction field of $mathbbZ[[x]]$ is $mathbbQ[[x]][1/x] = mathbbQ((x))$, which does indeed contain the power series for $exp$, as you noted.
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– Antonio Vargas
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Now that I read user10676's answer, I'm less convinced my comment above is correct. Is it true that $K[[x]][1/x] = K((x))$? If so, does it not contradict the link the OP posted?
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Yes, $K[[x]][1/x]=K((x))$, because every (nonzero) Laurent series is $x^i p(x)$ where $i$ is an integer and $p(x)$ is a power series with nonzero constant term. If you have adjoined an inverse for $x$, this is always possible. Since any power series with nonzero constant is a unit in $K[[x]]$, and you can "shift" to that unit with the unit $x^i$, everything is a unit.
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Robert Gilmer has shown (Proc. AMS Vol.18, No. 6 (1967)) that $F((X))$ is the field of fractions of $R[[x]]$ if and only if $K[[x]]=(Rsetminus 0)^−1R[[x]]$. This shows some similarity to Georges necessary requirement for elements of $F((x))$ to be in $K$. The latter by the way directly implies that $Kneq F((x))$ if $R$ is a 1-dimensional valuation ring. Since these rings are "large" compared to $F$ this seems to indicate that the equality $K=F((x))$ holds only infrequently.
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I just want to share the following result of Philip Sheldon
(Trans. AMS Vol. 159, 1971):
Let $Rsubset S$ be two subrings of the rational numbers.
Then the transcendence degree of the field extension
$mathrmFrac (R[[x]])subsetmathrmFrac(S[[x]])$
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Suppose that $R$ is a UFD. Let $F(X) = X^-n sum_kge0 r_k X^k in K((X))$, with $r_0 neq 0$. Write
$$ r_k = fracp_kq_0cdot q_1 cdots q_k, quad (k geq 0),$$
with $q_k$ prime with $p_k$ (they are unique up to units).
Suppose that $F in mathrmFrac(R[[X]])$. Then you can find $A(X) = sum_kge0 a_n X^k$ and $B(X) = sum_kge0b_n X^k$ in $R[[X]]$ such that:
$$ sum_kge0r_k X^k = (sum_kge0a_n X^k)(sum_kge0b_n X^k)^-1.$$
You can suppose that $b_0 neq 0$. This imply that for all $k$:
$$a_n = sum_p+q=k r_p b_q.$$
Multiply this equality by $q_0cdot q_1 cdots q_k$, then you deduce that $q_k$ divides $b_0$ (for all $k$).
So a necessary condition for $F(X)$ to be in $mathrmFrac(R[[X]])$ is the following:
$$(*) bigcap_k geq 0 q_kR neq 0, $$
i.e. $gcd(q_0,q_1,dots) < infty$. This explains why $exp(X)$ is not in $mathrmFrac(R[[X]])$ as proved in your link. I expect that $(*)$ is also sufficient, but I am not sure.
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Here's my try:
$Frac(D)[[x]]=alphain Frac(D)((x)) mid exists din D[[x]]^*, dalphain D[[x]]$
This just goes about identifying things whose "denominators can be cleared". The fact that not everything in $Frac(D)((x))$ cannot be shifted this way is because $D[[x]]$ is not dense in $Frac(D)((x))$.
For example, you have $frac12x^-5+frac13x^-4+frac12x^-3+frac13x^-2+dots$ which can be shifted into $mathbbZ[[x]]$ with $6x^5$, but I think there will be impossible to shift $Sigma_i=1^infty frac12^i x^i$ into $mathbbZ[[x]]$.
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The required fraction field $K$ of our ring $R[[x]]$ consists of fractions $phi(x)=frac f(x)g(x)$ with $f(x), 0neq g(x)in R[[x]]$ .
If $F=Frac(R)$ we obviously have $Ksubset F((x))$ but the following analysis will show that we don't have equality in general.
Write $g(x)=x^k(r-xgamma(x))=x^kr(1-frac xrgamma(x))$ with $kgeq 0$ and $0neq rin R$ .
Then $frac 1g(x)=x^-ksum frac x^nr^n(gamma (x))^n$ and we see that $phi(x)=sum_i=m ^infty c_ix^i$ where $min mathbb Z$ depends on $phi$ and each $c_i$ is of the form $c_i=frac rho_ir^nu^i$ with $rho_iin R$ and $nu_iin mathbb N$.
In other words in the investigated field $K$ every element is a power series $phi(x)=sum_i=m ^infty c_ix^i$ but these satisfy the strong requirement that there exists an element $rin R$ (depending on $phi$) such that all $c_iin R[frac 1r]$.
For example it is clear that for $R=mathbb Z $ the series $e^x=sum frac x^ii!notin K$ since it is impossible to find $rin mathbb Z$ such that all $frac 1i!in mathbb Z[frac 1r]$
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If I'm not mistaken, $K[[x]][1/x]$ is just $K((x))$, the Laurent series over $K$. But by the link I provided in the question, the fraction field of $mathbbZ[[x]]$ does not contain the power series for $exp(x)$, but that power series is contained in the power series over $mathbbQ$. So I'm not sure your answer is correct.
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– miforbes
May 2 '12 at 21:59
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@miforbes, Georges said that $K[[x]][1/x]$ is the fraction field of $R[[x]]$, where $K = operatornameFrac(R)$. So since $mathbbQ = operatornameFrac(mathbbZ)$, the fraction field of $mathbbZ[[x]]$ is $mathbbQ[[x]][1/x] = mathbbQ((x))$, which does indeed contain the power series for $exp$, as you noted.
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– Antonio Vargas
May 2 '12 at 22:11
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Now that I read user10676's answer, I'm less convinced my comment above is correct. Is it true that $K[[x]][1/x] = K((x))$? If so, does it not contradict the link the OP posted?
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– Antonio Vargas
May 2 '12 at 23:27
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Yes, $K[[x]][1/x]=K((x))$, because every (nonzero) Laurent series is $x^i p(x)$ where $i$ is an integer and $p(x)$ is a power series with nonzero constant term. If you have adjoined an inverse for $x$, this is always possible. Since any power series with nonzero constant is a unit in $K[[x]]$, and you can "shift" to that unit with the unit $x^i$, everything is a unit.
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– rschwieb
May 3 '12 at 0:28
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Robert Gilmer has shown (Proc. AMS Vol.18, No. 6 (1967)) that $F((X))$ is the field of fractions of $R[[x]]$ if and only if $K[[x]]=(Rsetminus 0)^−1R[[x]]$. This shows some similarity to Georges necessary requirement for elements of $F((x))$ to be in $K$. The latter by the way directly implies that $Kneq F((x))$ if $R$ is a 1-dimensional valuation ring. Since these rings are "large" compared to $F$ this seems to indicate that the equality $K=F((x))$ holds only infrequently.
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– Hagen Knaf
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The required fraction field $K$ of our ring $R[[x]]$ consists of fractions $phi(x)=frac f(x)g(x)$ with $f(x), 0neq g(x)in R[[x]]$ .
If $F=Frac(R)$ we obviously have $Ksubset F((x))$ but the following analysis will show that we don't have equality in general.
Write $g(x)=x^k(r-xgamma(x))=x^kr(1-frac xrgamma(x))$ with $kgeq 0$ and $0neq rin R$ .
Then $frac 1g(x)=x^-ksum frac x^nr^n(gamma (x))^n$ and we see that $phi(x)=sum_i=m ^infty c_ix^i$ where $min mathbb Z$ depends on $phi$ and each $c_i$ is of the form $c_i=frac rho_ir^nu^i$ with $rho_iin R$ and $nu_iin mathbb N$.
In other words in the investigated field $K$ every element is a power series $phi(x)=sum_i=m ^infty c_ix^i$ but these satisfy the strong requirement that there exists an element $rin R$ (depending on $phi$) such that all $c_iin R[frac 1r]$.
For example it is clear that for $R=mathbb Z $ the series $e^x=sum frac x^ii!notin K$ since it is impossible to find $rin mathbb Z$ such that all $frac 1i!in mathbb Z[frac 1r]$
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If I'm not mistaken, $K[[x]][1/x]$ is just $K((x))$, the Laurent series over $K$. But by the link I provided in the question, the fraction field of $mathbbZ[[x]]$ does not contain the power series for $exp(x)$, but that power series is contained in the power series over $mathbbQ$. So I'm not sure your answer is correct.
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– miforbes
May 2 '12 at 21:59
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@miforbes, Georges said that $K[[x]][1/x]$ is the fraction field of $R[[x]]$, where $K = operatornameFrac(R)$. So since $mathbbQ = operatornameFrac(mathbbZ)$, the fraction field of $mathbbZ[[x]]$ is $mathbbQ[[x]][1/x] = mathbbQ((x))$, which does indeed contain the power series for $exp$, as you noted.
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– Antonio Vargas
May 2 '12 at 22:11
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Now that I read user10676's answer, I'm less convinced my comment above is correct. Is it true that $K[[x]][1/x] = K((x))$? If so, does it not contradict the link the OP posted?
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– Antonio Vargas
May 2 '12 at 23:27
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Yes, $K[[x]][1/x]=K((x))$, because every (nonzero) Laurent series is $x^i p(x)$ where $i$ is an integer and $p(x)$ is a power series with nonzero constant term. If you have adjoined an inverse for $x$, this is always possible. Since any power series with nonzero constant is a unit in $K[[x]]$, and you can "shift" to that unit with the unit $x^i$, everything is a unit.
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– rschwieb
May 3 '12 at 0:28
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Robert Gilmer has shown (Proc. AMS Vol.18, No. 6 (1967)) that $F((X))$ is the field of fractions of $R[[x]]$ if and only if $K[[x]]=(Rsetminus 0)^−1R[[x]]$. This shows some similarity to Georges necessary requirement for elements of $F((x))$ to be in $K$. The latter by the way directly implies that $Kneq F((x))$ if $R$ is a 1-dimensional valuation ring. Since these rings are "large" compared to $F$ this seems to indicate that the equality $K=F((x))$ holds only infrequently.
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– Hagen Knaf
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The required fraction field $K$ of our ring $R[[x]]$ consists of fractions $phi(x)=frac f(x)g(x)$ with $f(x), 0neq g(x)in R[[x]]$ .
If $F=Frac(R)$ we obviously have $Ksubset F((x))$ but the following analysis will show that we don't have equality in general.
Write $g(x)=x^k(r-xgamma(x))=x^kr(1-frac xrgamma(x))$ with $kgeq 0$ and $0neq rin R$ .
Then $frac 1g(x)=x^-ksum frac x^nr^n(gamma (x))^n$ and we see that $phi(x)=sum_i=m ^infty c_ix^i$ where $min mathbb Z$ depends on $phi$ and each $c_i$ is of the form $c_i=frac rho_ir^nu^i$ with $rho_iin R$ and $nu_iin mathbb N$.
In other words in the investigated field $K$ every element is a power series $phi(x)=sum_i=m ^infty c_ix^i$ but these satisfy the strong requirement that there exists an element $rin R$ (depending on $phi$) such that all $c_iin R[frac 1r]$.
For example it is clear that for $R=mathbb Z $ the series $e^x=sum frac x^ii!notin K$ since it is impossible to find $rin mathbb Z$ such that all $frac 1i!in mathbb Z[frac 1r]$
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The required fraction field $K$ of our ring $R[[x]]$ consists of fractions $phi(x)=frac f(x)g(x)$ with $f(x), 0neq g(x)in R[[x]]$ .
If $F=Frac(R)$ we obviously have $Ksubset F((x))$ but the following analysis will show that we don't have equality in general.
Write $g(x)=x^k(r-xgamma(x))=x^kr(1-frac xrgamma(x))$ with $kgeq 0$ and $0neq rin R$ .
Then $frac 1g(x)=x^-ksum frac x^nr^n(gamma (x))^n$ and we see that $phi(x)=sum_i=m ^infty c_ix^i$ where $min mathbb Z$ depends on $phi$ and each $c_i$ is of the form $c_i=frac rho_ir^nu^i$ with $rho_iin R$ and $nu_iin mathbb N$.
In other words in the investigated field $K$ every element is a power series $phi(x)=sum_i=m ^infty c_ix^i$ but these satisfy the strong requirement that there exists an element $rin R$ (depending on $phi$) such that all $c_iin R[frac 1r]$.
For example it is clear that for $R=mathbb Z $ the series $e^x=sum frac x^ii!notin K$ since it is impossible to find $rin mathbb Z$ such that all $frac 1i!in mathbb Z[frac 1r]$
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If I'm not mistaken, $K[[x]][1/x]$ is just $K((x))$, the Laurent series over $K$. But by the link I provided in the question, the fraction field of $mathbbZ[[x]]$ does not contain the power series for $exp(x)$, but that power series is contained in the power series over $mathbbQ$. So I'm not sure your answer is correct.
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@miforbes, Georges said that $K[[x]][1/x]$ is the fraction field of $R[[x]]$, where $K = operatornameFrac(R)$. So since $mathbbQ = operatornameFrac(mathbbZ)$, the fraction field of $mathbbZ[[x]]$ is $mathbbQ[[x]][1/x] = mathbbQ((x))$, which does indeed contain the power series for $exp$, as you noted.
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– Antonio Vargas
May 2 '12 at 22:11
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Now that I read user10676's answer, I'm less convinced my comment above is correct. Is it true that $K[[x]][1/x] = K((x))$? If so, does it not contradict the link the OP posted?
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– Antonio Vargas
May 2 '12 at 23:27
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Yes, $K[[x]][1/x]=K((x))$, because every (nonzero) Laurent series is $x^i p(x)$ where $i$ is an integer and $p(x)$ is a power series with nonzero constant term. If you have adjoined an inverse for $x$, this is always possible. Since any power series with nonzero constant is a unit in $K[[x]]$, and you can "shift" to that unit with the unit $x^i$, everything is a unit.
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– rschwieb
May 3 '12 at 0:28
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Robert Gilmer has shown (Proc. AMS Vol.18, No. 6 (1967)) that $F((X))$ is the field of fractions of $R[[x]]$ if and only if $K[[x]]=(Rsetminus 0)^−1R[[x]]$. This shows some similarity to Georges necessary requirement for elements of $F((x))$ to be in $K$. The latter by the way directly implies that $Kneq F((x))$ if $R$ is a 1-dimensional valuation ring. Since these rings are "large" compared to $F$ this seems to indicate that the equality $K=F((x))$ holds only infrequently.
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– Hagen Knaf
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If I'm not mistaken, $K[[x]][1/x]$ is just $K((x))$, the Laurent series over $K$. But by the link I provided in the question, the fraction field of $mathbbZ[[x]]$ does not contain the power series for $exp(x)$, but that power series is contained in the power series over $mathbbQ$. So I'm not sure your answer is correct.
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– miforbes
May 2 '12 at 21:59
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@miforbes, Georges said that $K[[x]][1/x]$ is the fraction field of $R[[x]]$, where $K = operatornameFrac(R)$. So since $mathbbQ = operatornameFrac(mathbbZ)$, the fraction field of $mathbbZ[[x]]$ is $mathbbQ[[x]][1/x] = mathbbQ((x))$, which does indeed contain the power series for $exp$, as you noted.
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– Antonio Vargas
May 2 '12 at 22:11
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Now that I read user10676's answer, I'm less convinced my comment above is correct. Is it true that $K[[x]][1/x] = K((x))$? If so, does it not contradict the link the OP posted?
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– Antonio Vargas
May 2 '12 at 23:27
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Yes, $K[[x]][1/x]=K((x))$, because every (nonzero) Laurent series is $x^i p(x)$ where $i$ is an integer and $p(x)$ is a power series with nonzero constant term. If you have adjoined an inverse for $x$, this is always possible. Since any power series with nonzero constant is a unit in $K[[x]]$, and you can "shift" to that unit with the unit $x^i$, everything is a unit.
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– rschwieb
May 3 '12 at 0:28
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Robert Gilmer has shown (Proc. AMS Vol.18, No. 6 (1967)) that $F((X))$ is the field of fractions of $R[[x]]$ if and only if $K[[x]]=(Rsetminus 0)^−1R[[x]]$. This shows some similarity to Georges necessary requirement for elements of $F((x))$ to be in $K$. The latter by the way directly implies that $Kneq F((x))$ if $R$ is a 1-dimensional valuation ring. Since these rings are "large" compared to $F$ this seems to indicate that the equality $K=F((x))$ holds only infrequently.
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– Hagen Knaf
May 3 '12 at 16:06
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If I'm not mistaken, $K[[x]][1/x]$ is just $K((x))$, the Laurent series over $K$. But by the link I provided in the question, the fraction field of $mathbbZ[[x]]$ does not contain the power series for $exp(x)$, but that power series is contained in the power series over $mathbbQ$. So I'm not sure your answer is correct.
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– miforbes
May 2 '12 at 21:59
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If I'm not mistaken, $K[[x]][1/x]$ is just $K((x))$, the Laurent series over $K$. But by the link I provided in the question, the fraction field of $mathbbZ[[x]]$ does not contain the power series for $exp(x)$, but that power series is contained in the power series over $mathbbQ$. So I'm not sure your answer is correct.
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– miforbes
May 2 '12 at 21:59
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@miforbes, Georges said that $K[[x]][1/x]$ is the fraction field of $R[[x]]$, where $K = operatornameFrac(R)$. So since $mathbbQ = operatornameFrac(mathbbZ)$, the fraction field of $mathbbZ[[x]]$ is $mathbbQ[[x]][1/x] = mathbbQ((x))$, which does indeed contain the power series for $exp$, as you noted.
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– Antonio Vargas
May 2 '12 at 22:11
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@miforbes, Georges said that $K[[x]][1/x]$ is the fraction field of $R[[x]]$, where $K = operatornameFrac(R)$. So since $mathbbQ = operatornameFrac(mathbbZ)$, the fraction field of $mathbbZ[[x]]$ is $mathbbQ[[x]][1/x] = mathbbQ((x))$, which does indeed contain the power series for $exp$, as you noted.
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– Antonio Vargas
May 2 '12 at 22:11
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Now that I read user10676's answer, I'm less convinced my comment above is correct. Is it true that $K[[x]][1/x] = K((x))$? If so, does it not contradict the link the OP posted?
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– Antonio Vargas
May 2 '12 at 23:27
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Now that I read user10676's answer, I'm less convinced my comment above is correct. Is it true that $K[[x]][1/x] = K((x))$? If so, does it not contradict the link the OP posted?
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– Antonio Vargas
May 2 '12 at 23:27
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Yes, $K[[x]][1/x]=K((x))$, because every (nonzero) Laurent series is $x^i p(x)$ where $i$ is an integer and $p(x)$ is a power series with nonzero constant term. If you have adjoined an inverse for $x$, this is always possible. Since any power series with nonzero constant is a unit in $K[[x]]$, and you can "shift" to that unit with the unit $x^i$, everything is a unit.
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– rschwieb
May 3 '12 at 0:28
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Yes, $K[[x]][1/x]=K((x))$, because every (nonzero) Laurent series is $x^i p(x)$ where $i$ is an integer and $p(x)$ is a power series with nonzero constant term. If you have adjoined an inverse for $x$, this is always possible. Since any power series with nonzero constant is a unit in $K[[x]]$, and you can "shift" to that unit with the unit $x^i$, everything is a unit.
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– rschwieb
May 3 '12 at 0:28
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Robert Gilmer has shown (Proc. AMS Vol.18, No. 6 (1967)) that $F((X))$ is the field of fractions of $R[[x]]$ if and only if $K[[x]]=(Rsetminus 0)^−1R[[x]]$. This shows some similarity to Georges necessary requirement for elements of $F((x))$ to be in $K$. The latter by the way directly implies that $Kneq F((x))$ if $R$ is a 1-dimensional valuation ring. Since these rings are "large" compared to $F$ this seems to indicate that the equality $K=F((x))$ holds only infrequently.
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– Hagen Knaf
May 3 '12 at 16:06
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Robert Gilmer has shown (Proc. AMS Vol.18, No. 6 (1967)) that $F((X))$ is the field of fractions of $R[[x]]$ if and only if $K[[x]]=(Rsetminus 0)^−1R[[x]]$. This shows some similarity to Georges necessary requirement for elements of $F((x))$ to be in $K$. The latter by the way directly implies that $Kneq F((x))$ if $R$ is a 1-dimensional valuation ring. Since these rings are "large" compared to $F$ this seems to indicate that the equality $K=F((x))$ holds only infrequently.
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– Hagen Knaf
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I just want to share the following result of Philip Sheldon
(Trans. AMS Vol. 159, 1971):
Let $Rsubset S$ be two subrings of the rational numbers.
Then the transcendence degree of the field extension
$mathrmFrac (R[[x]])subsetmathrmFrac(S[[x]])$
is infinite.
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I just want to share the following result of Philip Sheldon
(Trans. AMS Vol. 159, 1971):
Let $Rsubset S$ be two subrings of the rational numbers.
Then the transcendence degree of the field extension
$mathrmFrac (R[[x]])subsetmathrmFrac(S[[x]])$
is infinite.
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I just want to share the following result of Philip Sheldon
(Trans. AMS Vol. 159, 1971):
Let $Rsubset S$ be two subrings of the rational numbers.
Then the transcendence degree of the field extension
$mathrmFrac (R[[x]])subsetmathrmFrac(S[[x]])$
is infinite.
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I just want to share the following result of Philip Sheldon
(Trans. AMS Vol. 159, 1971):
Let $Rsubset S$ be two subrings of the rational numbers.
Then the transcendence degree of the field extension
$mathrmFrac (R[[x]])subsetmathrmFrac(S[[x]])$
is infinite.
answered May 4 '12 at 12:38
Hagen KnafHagen Knaf
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Suppose that $R$ is a UFD. Let $F(X) = X^-n sum_kge0 r_k X^k in K((X))$, with $r_0 neq 0$. Write
$$ r_k = fracp_kq_0cdot q_1 cdots q_k, quad (k geq 0),$$
with $q_k$ prime with $p_k$ (they are unique up to units).
Suppose that $F in mathrmFrac(R[[X]])$. Then you can find $A(X) = sum_kge0 a_n X^k$ and $B(X) = sum_kge0b_n X^k$ in $R[[X]]$ such that:
$$ sum_kge0r_k X^k = (sum_kge0a_n X^k)(sum_kge0b_n X^k)^-1.$$
You can suppose that $b_0 neq 0$. This imply that for all $k$:
$$a_n = sum_p+q=k r_p b_q.$$
Multiply this equality by $q_0cdot q_1 cdots q_k$, then you deduce that $q_k$ divides $b_0$ (for all $k$).
So a necessary condition for $F(X)$ to be in $mathrmFrac(R[[X]])$ is the following:
$$(*) bigcap_k geq 0 q_kR neq 0, $$
i.e. $gcd(q_0,q_1,dots) < infty$. This explains why $exp(X)$ is not in $mathrmFrac(R[[X]])$ as proved in your link. I expect that $(*)$ is also sufficient, but I am not sure.
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Suppose that $R$ is a UFD. Let $F(X) = X^-n sum_kge0 r_k X^k in K((X))$, with $r_0 neq 0$. Write
$$ r_k = fracp_kq_0cdot q_1 cdots q_k, quad (k geq 0),$$
with $q_k$ prime with $p_k$ (they are unique up to units).
Suppose that $F in mathrmFrac(R[[X]])$. Then you can find $A(X) = sum_kge0 a_n X^k$ and $B(X) = sum_kge0b_n X^k$ in $R[[X]]$ such that:
$$ sum_kge0r_k X^k = (sum_kge0a_n X^k)(sum_kge0b_n X^k)^-1.$$
You can suppose that $b_0 neq 0$. This imply that for all $k$:
$$a_n = sum_p+q=k r_p b_q.$$
Multiply this equality by $q_0cdot q_1 cdots q_k$, then you deduce that $q_k$ divides $b_0$ (for all $k$).
So a necessary condition for $F(X)$ to be in $mathrmFrac(R[[X]])$ is the following:
$$(*) bigcap_k geq 0 q_kR neq 0, $$
i.e. $gcd(q_0,q_1,dots) < infty$. This explains why $exp(X)$ is not in $mathrmFrac(R[[X]])$ as proved in your link. I expect that $(*)$ is also sufficient, but I am not sure.
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Suppose that $R$ is a UFD. Let $F(X) = X^-n sum_kge0 r_k X^k in K((X))$, with $r_0 neq 0$. Write
$$ r_k = fracp_kq_0cdot q_1 cdots q_k, quad (k geq 0),$$
with $q_k$ prime with $p_k$ (they are unique up to units).
Suppose that $F in mathrmFrac(R[[X]])$. Then you can find $A(X) = sum_kge0 a_n X^k$ and $B(X) = sum_kge0b_n X^k$ in $R[[X]]$ such that:
$$ sum_kge0r_k X^k = (sum_kge0a_n X^k)(sum_kge0b_n X^k)^-1.$$
You can suppose that $b_0 neq 0$. This imply that for all $k$:
$$a_n = sum_p+q=k r_p b_q.$$
Multiply this equality by $q_0cdot q_1 cdots q_k$, then you deduce that $q_k$ divides $b_0$ (for all $k$).
So a necessary condition for $F(X)$ to be in $mathrmFrac(R[[X]])$ is the following:
$$(*) bigcap_k geq 0 q_kR neq 0, $$
i.e. $gcd(q_0,q_1,dots) < infty$. This explains why $exp(X)$ is not in $mathrmFrac(R[[X]])$ as proved in your link. I expect that $(*)$ is also sufficient, but I am not sure.
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Suppose that $R$ is a UFD. Let $F(X) = X^-n sum_kge0 r_k X^k in K((X))$, with $r_0 neq 0$. Write
$$ r_k = fracp_kq_0cdot q_1 cdots q_k, quad (k geq 0),$$
with $q_k$ prime with $p_k$ (they are unique up to units).
Suppose that $F in mathrmFrac(R[[X]])$. Then you can find $A(X) = sum_kge0 a_n X^k$ and $B(X) = sum_kge0b_n X^k$ in $R[[X]]$ such that:
$$ sum_kge0r_k X^k = (sum_kge0a_n X^k)(sum_kge0b_n X^k)^-1.$$
You can suppose that $b_0 neq 0$. This imply that for all $k$:
$$a_n = sum_p+q=k r_p b_q.$$
Multiply this equality by $q_0cdot q_1 cdots q_k$, then you deduce that $q_k$ divides $b_0$ (for all $k$).
So a necessary condition for $F(X)$ to be in $mathrmFrac(R[[X]])$ is the following:
$$(*) bigcap_k geq 0 q_kR neq 0, $$
i.e. $gcd(q_0,q_1,dots) < infty$. This explains why $exp(X)$ is not in $mathrmFrac(R[[X]])$ as proved in your link. I expect that $(*)$ is also sufficient, but I am not sure.
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Here's my try:
$Frac(D)[[x]]=alphain Frac(D)((x)) mid exists din D[[x]]^*, dalphain D[[x]]$
This just goes about identifying things whose "denominators can be cleared". The fact that not everything in $Frac(D)((x))$ cannot be shifted this way is because $D[[x]]$ is not dense in $Frac(D)((x))$.
For example, you have $frac12x^-5+frac13x^-4+frac12x^-3+frac13x^-2+dots$ which can be shifted into $mathbbZ[[x]]$ with $6x^5$, but I think there will be impossible to shift $Sigma_i=1^infty frac12^i x^i$ into $mathbbZ[[x]]$.
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Here's my try:
$Frac(D)[[x]]=alphain Frac(D)((x)) mid exists din D[[x]]^*, dalphain D[[x]]$
This just goes about identifying things whose "denominators can be cleared". The fact that not everything in $Frac(D)((x))$ cannot be shifted this way is because $D[[x]]$ is not dense in $Frac(D)((x))$.
For example, you have $frac12x^-5+frac13x^-4+frac12x^-3+frac13x^-2+dots$ which can be shifted into $mathbbZ[[x]]$ with $6x^5$, but I think there will be impossible to shift $Sigma_i=1^infty frac12^i x^i$ into $mathbbZ[[x]]$.
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Here's my try:
$Frac(D)[[x]]=alphain Frac(D)((x)) mid exists din D[[x]]^*, dalphain D[[x]]$
This just goes about identifying things whose "denominators can be cleared". The fact that not everything in $Frac(D)((x))$ cannot be shifted this way is because $D[[x]]$ is not dense in $Frac(D)((x))$.
For example, you have $frac12x^-5+frac13x^-4+frac12x^-3+frac13x^-2+dots$ which can be shifted into $mathbbZ[[x]]$ with $6x^5$, but I think there will be impossible to shift $Sigma_i=1^infty frac12^i x^i$ into $mathbbZ[[x]]$.
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Here's my try:
$Frac(D)[[x]]=alphain Frac(D)((x)) mid exists din D[[x]]^*, dalphain D[[x]]$
This just goes about identifying things whose "denominators can be cleared". The fact that not everything in $Frac(D)((x))$ cannot be shifted this way is because $D[[x]]$ is not dense in $Frac(D)((x))$.
For example, you have $frac12x^-5+frac13x^-4+frac12x^-3+frac13x^-2+dots$ which can be shifted into $mathbbZ[[x]]$ with $6x^5$, but I think there will be impossible to shift $Sigma_i=1^infty frac12^i x^i$ into $mathbbZ[[x]]$.
answered May 3 '12 at 0:45
rschwiebrschwieb
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When I say Laurent series I only allow finitely many non-zero negative coefficients.
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– miforbes
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Can you be more specific about what you would like in your description beyond the description given by the construction of $Frac(R[[x]])$? That construction is already pretty concrete.
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@rschwieb: A more concrete description would be something like: ``the fraction field is the laurent/power series with coefficients of form X''.
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