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Moving Supremum inside conditional expectation


Conditions under which the Limit for “Measure $to 0$” is $0$ [more difficult]Conditional expectation is square-integrableProperty of conditional expectationDifferentiating inside a conditional expectationEquality of sets supremum and infimumConvergence of conditional meansExchanging supremum and conditional expectationProve or disprove the following inequality?Conditional expectation as a random variable newSupremum of integrable random variables and pointwise convergence













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Let $Z_l_l in Lambda,X$ be square-integrable random-variables, and $f:mathbbR^2rightarrow mathbbR$ be a continuous function, such that



  • $
    sup_l in LambdamathbbE[f(Z_l,X)]<infty
    .
    $

  • $operatornameesssup_l in LambdaZ_l<infty$

Under what conditions, is it true that
$$
sup_l in LambdamathbbEleft[
f(Z_l,X)
right]
=
mathbbEleft[
f(operatornameesssup_l in LambdaZ_l,X)
right]
$$










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    I think you are talking about the normal expected value, since conditional expectation is a random variable itself. At first glance, you need monotony in $f$ for $Z_l$, i.e. $Z_ileq Z_k$ implies $mathbbE[f(Z_i,X)] leq mathbbE[f(Z_k,X)]$. The bounds guarantee you that such a $sup$ exists almost surely (inside as well as outside of the expected value), so you are fine taking a surpremum over a bounded sequence. This is just a quick guess, maybe someone else is able to provide you with a more detailed answer with more relaxed conditions.
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    – F. Conrad
    Apr 1 at 22:03
















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$begingroup$


Let $Z_l_l in Lambda,X$ be square-integrable random-variables, and $f:mathbbR^2rightarrow mathbbR$ be a continuous function, such that



  • $
    sup_l in LambdamathbbE[f(Z_l,X)]<infty
    .
    $

  • $operatornameesssup_l in LambdaZ_l<infty$

Under what conditions, is it true that
$$
sup_l in LambdamathbbEleft[
f(Z_l,X)
right]
=
mathbbEleft[
f(operatornameesssup_l in LambdaZ_l,X)
right]
$$










share|cite|improve this question









$endgroup$











  • $begingroup$
    I think you are talking about the normal expected value, since conditional expectation is a random variable itself. At first glance, you need monotony in $f$ for $Z_l$, i.e. $Z_ileq Z_k$ implies $mathbbE[f(Z_i,X)] leq mathbbE[f(Z_k,X)]$. The bounds guarantee you that such a $sup$ exists almost surely (inside as well as outside of the expected value), so you are fine taking a surpremum over a bounded sequence. This is just a quick guess, maybe someone else is able to provide you with a more detailed answer with more relaxed conditions.
    $endgroup$
    – F. Conrad
    Apr 1 at 22:03














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$begingroup$


Let $Z_l_l in Lambda,X$ be square-integrable random-variables, and $f:mathbbR^2rightarrow mathbbR$ be a continuous function, such that



  • $
    sup_l in LambdamathbbE[f(Z_l,X)]<infty
    .
    $

  • $operatornameesssup_l in LambdaZ_l<infty$

Under what conditions, is it true that
$$
sup_l in LambdamathbbEleft[
f(Z_l,X)
right]
=
mathbbEleft[
f(operatornameesssup_l in LambdaZ_l,X)
right]
$$










share|cite|improve this question









$endgroup$




Let $Z_l_l in Lambda,X$ be square-integrable random-variables, and $f:mathbbR^2rightarrow mathbbR$ be a continuous function, such that



  • $
    sup_l in LambdamathbbE[f(Z_l,X)]<infty
    .
    $

  • $operatornameesssup_l in LambdaZ_l<infty$

Under what conditions, is it true that
$$
sup_l in LambdamathbbEleft[
f(Z_l,X)
right]
=
mathbbEleft[
f(operatornameesssup_l in LambdaZ_l,X)
right]
$$







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  • $begingroup$
    I think you are talking about the normal expected value, since conditional expectation is a random variable itself. At first glance, you need monotony in $f$ for $Z_l$, i.e. $Z_ileq Z_k$ implies $mathbbE[f(Z_i,X)] leq mathbbE[f(Z_k,X)]$. The bounds guarantee you that such a $sup$ exists almost surely (inside as well as outside of the expected value), so you are fine taking a surpremum over a bounded sequence. This is just a quick guess, maybe someone else is able to provide you with a more detailed answer with more relaxed conditions.
    $endgroup$
    – F. Conrad
    Apr 1 at 22:03

















  • $begingroup$
    I think you are talking about the normal expected value, since conditional expectation is a random variable itself. At first glance, you need monotony in $f$ for $Z_l$, i.e. $Z_ileq Z_k$ implies $mathbbE[f(Z_i,X)] leq mathbbE[f(Z_k,X)]$. The bounds guarantee you that such a $sup$ exists almost surely (inside as well as outside of the expected value), so you are fine taking a surpremum over a bounded sequence. This is just a quick guess, maybe someone else is able to provide you with a more detailed answer with more relaxed conditions.
    $endgroup$
    – F. Conrad
    Apr 1 at 22:03
















$begingroup$
I think you are talking about the normal expected value, since conditional expectation is a random variable itself. At first glance, you need monotony in $f$ for $Z_l$, i.e. $Z_ileq Z_k$ implies $mathbbE[f(Z_i,X)] leq mathbbE[f(Z_k,X)]$. The bounds guarantee you that such a $sup$ exists almost surely (inside as well as outside of the expected value), so you are fine taking a surpremum over a bounded sequence. This is just a quick guess, maybe someone else is able to provide you with a more detailed answer with more relaxed conditions.
$endgroup$
– F. Conrad
Apr 1 at 22:03





$begingroup$
I think you are talking about the normal expected value, since conditional expectation is a random variable itself. At first glance, you need monotony in $f$ for $Z_l$, i.e. $Z_ileq Z_k$ implies $mathbbE[f(Z_i,X)] leq mathbbE[f(Z_k,X)]$. The bounds guarantee you that such a $sup$ exists almost surely (inside as well as outside of the expected value), so you are fine taking a surpremum over a bounded sequence. This is just a quick guess, maybe someone else is able to provide you with a more detailed answer with more relaxed conditions.
$endgroup$
– F. Conrad
Apr 1 at 22:03











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